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Biostem · Feb 24, 2008, 04:38 AM // 04:38

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

Guns or no guns in this game is a personal preference.

At this point though the technology has already been discovered by the luxons, namely the 'siege turtle'.

As you can see on the pic it has a cannon, a stack of (jade) balls and I see some barrels hanging, common sense makes me think about gunpowder or a magical powder of some sort. There's a stair at the back of the turtle that leads to the back of the cannon to ignite it.

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Image:Siege_Turtle.jpg

So we have a powder cannon in the game. A powder gun would possibly fit imo but nothing more at this point.

The point I keep raising is that they *do* have cannons, but they are only implemented when you have a big, stable platform to put them on. The jump from a basic smoothbore cannon on the back of a giant turtle, to a handheld device w/ a decent rate of fire, if a huge one. I'd be more inclined to see the cartoon-esque black iron ball bombs being lobbed by some sort of alchemist-class.

Gun Pierson · Feb 24, 2008, 04:47 AM // 04:47

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Originally Posted by Biostem

The point I keep raising is that they *do* have cannons, but they are only implemented when you have a big, stable platform to put them on. The jump from a basic smoothbore cannon on the back of a giant turtle, to a handheld device w/ a decent rate of fire, if a huge one. I'd be more inclined to see the cartoon-esque black iron ball bombs being lobbed by some sort of alchemist-class.

Yes it is what it is. We might aswell had that alchemist or whatever class that uses a powder gun. He might shoot with small jade balls and a small dosis of the powder using a hand held version in stone or iron, at least primitive. It's not quite unthinkable if you know what I mean.

He could have had a spell like 'elixir of explosion' (like for example in the movie 300) with the same dmg stuff like 'putrid explosion'. Just having some fantasy fun here.

kerpall · Feb 24, 2008, 05:04 AM // 05:04

You guys are focusing on powder based guns too much. Remember in GW2 , cantha was cut-off. The luxons were defeated , along side the kurzick, by the New emporer.

The only source of gun (unless they smuggles luxon technology b4 they died, into tyria) would be some sort of crystal, similar to that which powers G.O.L.E.M.'s . The crystals basically act as a energy source, and they designed a way to exctract that energy and direct it.

This is 200 years of war (rise of undead, and orr), and 200 years of technological development. IF humans had no contact with the asura (and their advanced technology) then maybe powder based hand-held firearms would be what they could use. But why go for the lower tech technology, when you have Asuran scientists who have designed magical-high-tech items?

Biostem · Feb 24, 2008, 05:08 AM // 05:08

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Originally Posted by kerpall

You guys are focusing on powder based guns too much. Remember in GW2 , cantha was cut-off. The luxons were defeated , along side the kurzick, by the New emporer.

The only source of gun (unless they smuggles luxon technology b4 they died, into tyria) would be some sort of crystal, similar to that which powers G.O.L.E.M.'s . The crystals basically act as a energy source, and they designed a way to exctract that energy and direct it.

This is 200 years of war (rise of undead, and orr), and 200 years of technological development. IF humans had no contact with the asura (and their advanced technology) then maybe powder based hand-held firearms would be what they could use. But why go for the lower tech technology, when you have Asuran scientists who have designed magical-high-tech items?

You sort of hit on my point; if you had the choice of a musket which requires powder and iron balls, or some Asuran weapon that you basically point and a bolt of lightning shoots out, which would you pick? Used w/ the proper combination of skills, even "wanding" can be quite effective.

Nevin · Feb 24, 2008, 05:13 AM // 05:13

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Originally Posted by Biostem

The point I keep raising is that they *do* have cannons, but they are only implemented when you have a big, stable platform to put them on. The jump from a basic smoothbore cannon on the back of a giant turtle, to a handheld device w/ a decent rate of fire, if a huge one. I'd be more inclined to see the cartoon-esque black iron ball bombs being lobbed by some sort of alchemist-class.

Like those persian "wizards" from 300. Sorry couldn't resist.

Halo 3 is not for the win, Crysis is.

Gun Pierson · Feb 24, 2008, 05:14 AM // 05:14

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Originally Posted by kerpall

You guys are focusing on powder based guns too much. Remember in GW2 , cantha was cut-off. The luxons were defeated , along side the kurzick, by the New emporer.

I thought we were talking about GW1. Just saying if the luxons have that cannon, they might aswell had a hand version, but they don't and there is no profession for it. Devs choice.

Also about that choice of the far superior weapon. It would also be possible to use just both. You know, throw everything you got at the enemy. Help from asuran technology, from luxon technology whatever.

kerpall · Feb 24, 2008, 05:16 AM // 05:16

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Originally Posted by Biostem

You sort of hit on my point; if you had the choice of a musket which requires powder and iron balls, or some Asuran weapon that you basically point and a bolt of lightning shoots out, which would you pick? Used w/ the proper combination of skills, even "wanding" can be quite effective.

Although there are skills like "splinter weapon" to assist attacks, wanding alone doesnt have any skills specific to wands (there are no Wanding Mastery skills to increase damage per hit). While a firearm (or laser shooter, or somthing) would have skills specific to it (Bow mastery / Gun mastery / etc).

You cannot use a skill like "Power Shot" on a wand, it's bow related only.

This is what i'm looking for, a gun-like weapon, that has gun-like specific skills, or shares skills with the bow.

Rexion · Feb 24, 2008, 05:43 AM // 05:43

great... sins w/ daggers... AND bazookas?
no.

eles w/ Searing Flame... AND Rocket Launchers?
no.

Rangers w/ Barrage... AND machine guns?
no.

nonononononononono. i do not approve.

arcanemacabre · Feb 24, 2008, 06:08 AM // 06:08

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Originally Posted by Rexion

nonononononononono. i do not approve.

Awesome, I don't approve of those things, either. But then again, that's not what this is about. Maybe read the thread?

[M]agna_[C]arta · Feb 24, 2008, 06:34 AM // 06:34

Do I have to repeat, The Firearm I am talking bout are Muskets or Magic-Powered Firearm.
Not Bazookas or Shotguns, Adding Bazookas and Shotguns would just be senseless, And yes I understand adding Modern Tech isn't good for GW.
That's why I am talking bout Old-Age Firearm

Were talking bout GW2, Gun Pierson.

And not just only Luxons, Dwarves and Asuras are the only ones who could make Firearm.
Any race could just get Gunpowder or Create Gunpowder, and make a Gun, There was never ever written that Gunpowder was just Limited to Dwarves nor Luxons.
Crystal Ammo, Bullet Ammo, all are possible, Gunpowder is Scatter allover the Shiverpeaks and we Magical Crystals are allover Tyria.

kerpall · Feb 24, 2008, 07:13 AM // 07:13

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Originally Posted by [M]agna_[C]arta

Do I have to repeat, The Firearm I am talking bout are Muskets or Magic-Powered Firearm.
Not Bazookas or Shotguns, Adding Bazookas and Shotguns would just be senseless, And yes I understand adding Modern Tech isn't good for GW.
That's why I am talking bout Old-Age Firearm

Were talking bout GW2, Gun Pierson.

And not just only Luxons, Dwarves and Asuras are the only ones who could make Firearm.
Any race could just get Gunpowder or Create Gunpowder, and make a Gun, There was never ever written that Gunpowder was just Limited to Dwarves nor Luxons.
Crystal Ammo, Bullet Ammo, all are possible, Gunpowder is Scatter allover the Shiverpeaks and we Magical Crystals are allover Tyria.

You shouldnt have to explain yourself to 'tards like Rexion lol. They'll figure out how dumb their post is (and how much they are themselves) once they take the time to read the rest of the thread ...

EDIT 12:45 am: (This bottom half is non-related to top half) i just didnt want to post 2 times in a row. (agreeing with pierson, the 'tard comment is directed @ rexion)

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Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

Also about that choice of the far superior weapon. It would also be possible to use just both. You know, throw everything you got at the enemy. Help from asuran technology, from luxon technology whatever.

Powder propelled crystalls, that explode on impact from released energy

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[M]agna_[C]arta · Feb 24, 2008, 08:11 AM // 08:11

Don't be harsh on Pierson.
It was just a Foolish Human Flaw.

Lady Yuna · Feb 24, 2008, 04:27 PM // 16:27

and you're saying your post isn't?

[M]agna_[C]arta · Feb 24, 2008, 09:42 PM // 21:42

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Originally Posted by [M]agna_[C]arta

Please Quote my Post^^.
And how are you sure people would get tired of Guns.
And what's the diff with other Weaponry, And no one would be tired of it.
How can a person get tired of Guns, If they don't get tired of Swords, Bows and Staves, why should Guns be exhausting?

What you said seems illogical.

And if you hate guns then don't get guns, Same as like "I don't want to be a Necro I wanna be a Good-Loving Monk" XP.

I used Illogical, not Stupidic, Moronic or anything above the Lowest Degree of Stupidity(Insult)^^.
What's a Harsh there?

zidane888 · Feb 24, 2008, 10:15 PM // 22:15

I think guns belong in the world 0f GW(2) about as much as they would have in the Lord of the Ring Trilogy. To me it would be an absolute immersion breaker.

the LOTR takes place over a good period of time (an argument that was brought up for bringing guns into gw2), and some elements (such as explosive powder) are used, but you don't see an army of orcs with mini- grenades. It just doesn't fit in that lore.

Same with Guildwars. Guildwars is a game based arround melee fights, and magic. Guns just don't fit, even as cool and suposedly fitting people make them out to be.

The last thing I would want to see is an army of sword weilding warriors charging up to a castle being defended by ranger with muskets. I for one would be hugely dissapointed if I saw that.

MithranArkanere · Feb 24, 2008, 10:33 PM // 22:33

Everything's more fun when you can fire a blunderbuss.

JeniM · Feb 24, 2008, 10:34 PM // 22:34

They should make GW2 a MMOFPS with guns

On a serious note i don't think guns should be in GWs. Nor should crossbows or anything else mechanical (I personally don't like the G.O.L.E.M's as they are to near the line of technology for my liking)
I love bows, swords and magic and adding dragons to that mix in GW2 will make it seem like a proper Middle Ages St George story (he's the English guy that slayed a dragon not that any English people actually celebrate it

)
It would take the edge off the Dragons attacking if we have AA guns, even the powder weapons your talking about or ------- Asura with ------- laser beams attached to their ------ heads (sorry just watched Austin Powers also didn't know gurus stance on the word used) would ruin the moment for me. Maybe having some weapon of mass destruction we have to make to kill the dragons could happen, but then the Americans might invade us (not sure if Tyria has oil though)

[M]agna_[C]arta · Feb 24, 2008, 11:19 PM // 23:19

Why people keep talking bout MMOFPS? What bout it?
They would always add, MMOFPS, I don't get the point.

You guys are too Pessimistic, Firearms wouldn't destroy GW2.
You will, Cause if they ever add Firearms in GW, you guys would get into Tantrums.
Firearms would never destroy Gameplay nor Lore.
It is totally possible to have Firearms in GW and GW2(Lore).
Gameplay, it's easily Ballanceble, and we can still keep Bows.
But each has to make Pros and Cons, which would ballance both of them.
And you guys would rather have Bows than Guns, right?
So then the Bow Era would still Live-on.
Trust me guys it isn't Firearms which would destroy GW2, You will if you keep up that Mentality.

Shadowmere · Feb 25, 2008, 01:05 AM // 01:05

Why does everyone insist on ignoring the original post, and assuming the "guns" the OP wants are this

When they actually mean something like this

Hopefully putting it in picture form will straighten out more posters here.
Again
PIC 1: What you play a FPS for
PIC 2: What the OP would like for GW2

[M]agna_[C]arta · Feb 25, 2008, 01:15 AM // 01:15

Thank You^^!
I really needed a pic to show what I really meant^^.